Starting your own *country*
Written By alexsuraci on Sep. 3, 2007.
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This has been bugging me recently. It sounds extremely weird but I'm seriously thinking about how I would go about starting my own country, independent from all others and walking to its own beat.
Ignore everything you know about <insert your country here>'s laws and how people there are. If people all of a sudden were dropped into a brand new country with no laws, what do you think would happen?
If people were collectively accepting of the idea and the country itself, do you think a need for laws would exist? Would people really feel the need to abuse the lack of authority, or would they act like decent human beings?
What would be legal, and what would be illegal? There wouldn't be any corruption and I don't see any reason for why we would be attacked by some other country (well.....).
(posted in personal because there isn't a "starting your own country" community ;) )

jensized
Written Sep. 3, 2007 / Report /
This note reminded me instantly of this.
I'll think about the topic at length after I've had time to wake up.
LorriM
Written Sep. 3, 2007 / Report /
I have to give this some thought before responding. Initially I will say that there would be a need for laws. All variables must be considered.
I'll respond later on.
alexsuraci
Written Sep. 3, 2007 / Report /
I'd have to agree there, but I think if I were to create the laws I'd only include things that are already seen as morally wrong - such as murder, stealing, all that jazz.
Filesharing is a touchy subject, though. The only people who seem to be miffed about it are the record companies. They could be made illegal and have a nationalized way of promoting and distributing music, whereas all profits go to the artist. I suppose the same would go for other art forms?
thesirdanny
Written Sep. 4, 2007 / Report /
alex, you'd make Jazz illegal?!!?
alexsuraci
Written Sep. 4, 2007 / Report /
Hilarious. :P
I'm not sure if anyone else uses that term, so if you're really confused I meant it as in "etc". I don't know where "all that jazz" originates from though. Hmm.
jensized
Written Sep. 4, 2007 / Report /
For Alex ;)
davidhayes
Written Sep. 4, 2007 / Report /
This is an interesting question. It really really makes me think of the writings of John Locke (and other philosophers as well), as it seems that you're attempting to ask what people are like in the "state of nature."
In brief summary of those two philosophers, life in a new country with no laws and no power to enforce those laws may become "nasty brutish and short" (I may have that wrong, but it's close). Thus men create governments.
For myself, I think in general they have a point. I think it really depends how this country were created though. If we took people from preexisting countries and told them there would be no laws in this new country, they would probably go crazy and do whatever they wanted but hadn't been legally allowed to.
If, however, they'd been born there and were creating their country with no idea of what should happen in a "country," I think you could have very interesting results.
I feel like I haven't said much, but with a question this broad it's hard to say all that could be said.
alexsuraci
Written Sep. 6, 2007 / Report /
If only it were easier to do an experiment on the matter. :P
Mallmus
Written Sep. 6, 2007 / Report /
If a new country was setup and opened tomorrow It would be interesting if you only allowed people into the country who agreed to abide to being 'good' or a few simple rules or laws - otherwise just being removed and exiled...
I think some kind of governing comity would have to exist to uphold the basic laws... and also operate some kind of law enforcement...
What do you think could be a good solution to money - I occasionally think the old saying "money is the root of all evil" is very true... perhaps a bartering system... that way citizens of the country would have to farm or contribute then trade their goods... hmm...
LorriM
Written Sep. 7, 2007 / Report /
alexsuraci: Do you watch the TV show Lost?
The show is an experiment, in itself, of what you suggest, along with a character named John Lock (davidhayes mentioned the philosopher, John Locke).
alexsuraci
Written Sep. 7, 2007 / Report /
Heard a lot of it, but never seen it.